They Eat Their Own

Main Entry: can•ni•bal•ism
Pronunciation: \'ka-ne-be,-li-zem\
Function: noun
Date: 1796
1 : the usually ritualistic eating of human flesh by a human being
2 : the eating of the flesh of an animal by another animal of the same kind
3 : an act of cannibalizing something

As a politically natured person, I watch the actions of not only my own party, but that of our tax subsidized big government adversaries. While I disagree with both of their jingoistic sound-bite sloganeering for the consumption of the masses, I respect their ability to inspire, solidify and expand their bases none the less.

This week and next we will be treated to infomercials on behalf of the two tax subsidized party candidates. I wait anxiously to see the total cost to the taxpayers for these infomercials. In 2004 the cost was in the neighborhood of $80 million for those in power to provide mass media consumption to the voting electorate.

The common theme that you will see in these productions is the quest, and often many requests, for unity and solidarity to "defeat" the evil candidate on the other side of the aisle. Their operatives and activists pick themselves up and prepare to work and volunteer for a candidate they did not support in the primary, all for their collective goal of defeating their opponent in the other party. While these "bodies" have not been deliberative for decades, they are the pinnacle and culmination of all the efforts of the party faithful who have labored to get out their message. I can only respect their dedication and ability to unify behind their "cause" though I disagree with their agenda.

Then I look at my own house. If ever there was a finer example of a dysfunctional family, I know of no other. I have stood witness as good candidates were "bludgeoned" by the "purity police" leading up to an election. Slander and libel is the commonality here. Though the purity police claim to abhore fraud, they are inclined to engage in such activity as long as it isn't "one of them."

I hear those who profess that "the media" blacks us out, or that our candidates couldn’t convey "the message" to the electorate, as a reason for electoral losses. Another excuse is that "the playing field isn’t level." These are poor excuses at best and completely off target in reality. Though inequality certainly exists in election codes that protect the incumbent political parties, this myopic view of reality fails to grasp the fundamental issues that plague the libertarian movement.

My first experience with my party was to witness two party officers engage in a bitter dispute regarding the nominee after the convention. One supported the nominee, the other did not. I was dismayed that within the party structure itself, those who did not support the nominee could not lay down their rhetorical swords, and train their barbed tongues in the direction of the opposition. What is wrong with this picture?

When I began campaigning for one of our candidates, I watched as activists from other states attacked our candidate in this state. Their reason you ask? He wasn’t libertarian enough." It did not matter that the candidate had been with the party since it's inception. It did not matter that they agreed with the candidate 98%. That 2% difference was just cause in their view to disseminate libelous statements regarding the candidate so that they could "insure" that he was not the first libertarian elected to national office. How noble is that?

Years of engagement between the so called "pragmatists" and "purists" in our state has proven that the two factions can work together for common goals, as well as guide and grow the party. We discovered that we desired the same goals. Our differences resided in the approach to achieve those goals. However, we are Texans and as such we pride ourselves in our hospitality, reason and mannerisms. Philosophy is a great subject for debate. However, we all realize that you cannot govern from a book of theory.

Now we find ourselves amidst an election for the President of the United States once more. In typical fashion, the caterwauling from the purity police has begun. The candidate " isn’t a true libertarian" is their battle cry. I find myself dismayed once more. One candidate who failed to garner the nomination has decided to run an ‘insurgent’ campaign in an attempt to deny the rightful nominee his place on the ballot. Let us call the kettle black shall we? This is political cannibalism.

Instead of setting aside our differences and uniting behind a common cause, this faction of ideologues work in an effort to discredit not only the party’s nominee, but the party itself. They demand purity while castigating and denigrating those with which they disagree, no matter how small the degree. Additionally, they accuse these candidates of being Reform Caucus candidates, though this group does not endorse candidates. It would appear that lying is acceptable to the ideologues. It is time for this nonsense to end.

Codified within the bylaws of the party is the ‘purpose’ of the organization. That purpose includes the goal of electing candidates who will move public policy in a libertarian direction and ‘support’ party and affiliate party candidates. Yet, we currently have affiliate party OFFICERS who are actively engaged in activities that subverts the efforts and the will of the National LP delegation. When will enough be enough? When will we see these affiliate party officers brought before the Judicial Committee, and their affiliation stripped? Must we go down that path? Must we call for heads to roll?

As a former state officer, my job was to support the candidates on both the state and federal level. Like it or not, the national delegation chose Bob Barr as the LP Presidential Candidate. While I do not agree with Bob Barr 100%, I will set aside my differences and work to garner votes for our candidate. Contrast this view with recent actions taken by the defeated candidate (Phillies) against the nominee (Barr).

Apparently, this affiliate officer feels that it is his job is to destroy the party because he failed to win the nomination. This type of reaction reminds me of a spoiled brat, throwing a temper tantrum because mom told him he couldn’t have a piece of candy. Is this something to be admired? I think not.

I believe that you are defined by your deeds, not your words. Your actions, not your rhetoric, make you who you are. In this context, we have seen Mr. Phillies demonstrate that he cannot behave at an adult level, choosing instead to act as a spoiled child who didn’t get his way.

I have asked Mr. Phillies if he would set his differences aside and work in unison with other party members. He refused. He has likened Barr, as a Libertarian candidate, to the “Imperial Wizard of the KKK” being nominated “to lead a party of African Americans.” This comment, quoted often in the press, from a sitting party officer I find repugnant.

I for one believe that Mr. Phillies, as chair of an affiliate party, and the state party he represents, should be stripped of ‘affiliate’ status and that the state party should be reorganized. In doing so, Mr. Phillies should be barred from ever serving in an official capacity again. This may seem to be ‘excessive’ to some. However, no other mechanism exists with respect to disciplining an officer of an "affiliate" party. Perhaps, with an eye on the future, we should provide the Judicial Committee the ability to strip the credentials from an individual thus barring them from becoming a delegate. However, that does not exist at this time.

This action is not meant to ‘stifle dissent.’ On the contrary, it is simply a matter of discipline to correct childish behavior. Adults will debate. Children will argue, point fingers and utilize pejoratives to belittle their adversaries. I have had the pleasure of watching the LP mature into a viable alternative party. We can ill afford the actions of childish ideologues result in a backlide to irrelevancy.

You wish to know why LP candidates don’t win elections. Here is a shining example. Some Libertarians feel that they must eat their own.

Comments

KD, I guess I could keep

KD, I guess I could keep repeating my 9/1/08 21:57 post ad infinitum as steve does. I guess he assumes if he says it enough that the message will take new meaning and the perception will become the reality? I don't see any point in continuing to engage in debate with troll-like behavior. His misinformation and attempt at continuing to label you is pretty standard political fare. He even goes as far as playing victim. Most of these are over-used scenarios on pol. blogs and I can't see anything meaningful occurring via this exchange with him. Suffice it to say many of us understand what you are trying to do for your party and agree with you.

Good luck! So long stevie...

No...we don't need more

No...we don't need more Eric's.

I met him during the Smither campaign and he did block walk for one of our campaigns. However, I don't trust him. I am in the same camp as McLendon on Dondero....he may be a mole.

I consider it very strange for him to pimp the GOP and then 'work' for the LP. It doesn't make much sense to me.

Oh...and Dr. Calvin is just that...Dr. Calvin.

KD, Ya have to love the fly

KD,

Ya have to love the fly by night libertarian such as Eric Dondero. yep thos old guys like George Phillies that stick to their Libertarian guns election after election after election.... You have convinced me we need more Erics and fewer Georges. Say hey to that uhm eric like friend of yours what is his name ohh yea Chris (PHd)

Chris, Ok so once you read

Chris,

Ok so once you read the evidence you give?

I do think attaching that Phd is so suave. I am not sure what being a party member has to do with the evidence? can you explaine?

Sorry Steve, I'm referencing

Sorry Steve, I'm referencing your attacks on Tunstalls character and have read the previous diatribe. I'm not a party member, but you won't win any with your labile debate methods, that's a promise. KD is no "bigot" and no one can manufacture that persona by simply repeating it ad nauseam on these or any other threads. Those that know him aren't impressed with fabrication or sophomoric innuendo....sorry if you don't like the response, but I REALLY could care less...

If KD was supporting his

If KD was supporting his parties candidate then continously dragging his parties candidate's skelitons out for public viewing is stupid?

KD, I don't have to cry

KD,

I don't have to cry censorship. I you already know that it is.

And this comming from the person who said "kiss my white southern a$$" on another blog.

"If KD really is supporting

"If KD really is supporting Bob Barr then this is really stupid on his part."

See this is where you are wrong. I don't support 'Bob Barr,' I support my party. Big difference! Had Mary, George or even Jingozian got the nomination, I would do my job and support my candidate.

THIS is the mark of the politically mature and it is lacking in a certain faction of the LP.

I could care less what your religion is Steve. It is immaterial in this debate. What is pertinent is 'conduct injurious to the purposes' of the organization.

BTW, please refrain from using profanity on my blog. You will note that I edited your comment. No doubt you will cry censorship.

Chris, You seem to have not

Chris,

You seem to have not read the background.

What George said as divisive as it is is the truth with respect to his state party. Since when is the truth repugnant?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/burn_aw2.htm

On or near May 31st George Phillies wrote

"As state chair of LP of Massachusetts, I am now in a rather difficult position. Not ten years ago, Bob Barr tried to persuade the army to ban Wicca services from fields near Fort Hood. He also, I am told by Arthur Torrey, referred to Arthur’s religion as ‘bogus’.

I am in the same position as a State Chair who has a majority-African-American State Committee, and whose Presidential candidate was, ten years ago, a Grand Dragon of the KKK who spent his time trying to persuade storeowners not to rent out their storefronts to African-American churches."

On July 30th it was reported that Bob Barr reversed his position on the Wiccan religion

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/07/day_4_report.php

So if Person A mackes a claim and

Person B provides Evidence that the claim is wrong

What does that make person C who doesn't care enough to what is what before he jumps in argueing that person B is using false logic?

Chris, Where do I ever say

Chris,

Where do I ever say KD doesn't have the right to write and publish what ever he likes? I have said, he is ether ignorant of the facts or he has chosen to ignore them and if the later then he is engaing in a vendeta against a religion. Which is bigotry.

What KD has published above is an attack on the MA Libertarian Party as a retaliation for George Phillies stating the situation that he is in as the chair of the MA LP.

Now KD has had ample oportunities to back down from this position when the evidence is presented and If had bothered to examine the evidence you also would have backed down.

The term bigot acording to Websters Dictionary is very appropriate. He has now attacked the Masachusits Libertarian Party knowing that the leadership is heavy in the Wiccan faith. He is upset that they are upset that the LP has picked an individual as the presidential candidate who has lead a vendeta against Wicans in the military.

And KD has called for George and the entire MA LP to be thrown out of the party. A continuation of Barrs attacks.

For F***ING CRYING OUTLOUD Chris the name of KD article is "They Eat Their Own" ANd you think I am offensive?

Obviously, I'm not reading

Obviously, I'm not reading what you are and you seem to have a great deal more personal motives/feelings involved in this. Many support Mr. Barr's candidacy, but that doesn't mean they support every aspect of his beliefs, which is what KD makes very clear about his position. You already know this, because it is standard across parties and politics in praxis. Your using this issue, IMO, for a personal attack on Kevin and that is disingenuous to say the least.

From my take on the piece above, it is obvious he feels strongly about party unity and some form of mechanism to advance it. Why does he not have this right to speak publically on it or why would you appear to be attempting to silence him?

KD held a much more diverse group together on a recent state-wide committee. It sounds like he has a valid point that needs to be discussed, so why would you try and detract from it? Action may come of it or not, but failure to debate it will only fester and further destroy your parties unity. Is that your agenda?

Reverting to ad hominem is puerile as well as deliberate. Again, I'm voicing this as an outsider who has block-walked with this man at the activist level and seen his very diverse support first hand. Using a diversion like "bigot" only reflects on the finger pointer, IMHO...

Try this one: Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Chris, What every KD has

Chris,

What every KD has done in the past what he is doing now is more atuned to coalition destruction the building. And what still hasn't gotton through his head is that every time he raises the issue, others will examine the fact and find out about what an intolerent individual Bob Barr was in the past. If KD really is supporting Bob Barr then this is really stupid on his part.

KD,

I have mearly highlited that your above article is either supporting Bob Barr's intollerent attitude to other religions and as such if you knew this was the issue and yet you persisted demonstrates how correctly the label of bigot should be attached to you. Now I know you know how to use a dictionary but since you havn't bothered to,

Main Entry:
big·ot
Pronunciation:
\Èbi-gYt\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
French, hypocrite, bigot
Date:
1660

: a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Now you claim the time line doesn't mater. I claim it does matter and that what George Phillies said was factually correct. I further claim that you in your blind continuation of this mater with no regards to the historical detail are hehaving as an idiot.

Main Entry:
id·i·ot
Pronunciation:
\Èi-d-Yt\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English, from Anglo-French ydiote, from Latin idiota ignorant person, from Greek idiMts one in a private station, layman, ignorant person, from idios one's own, private; akin to Latin suus one's own — more at suicide
Date:
14th century

1usually offensive : a person affected with extreme mental retardation2: a foolish or stupid person
— idiot adjective

Because I'm an independent

Because I'm an independent chiming in, I will with-hold comment on the individuals and internal strife obviously playing out here. I speak as an outsider who watched a noble effort in our local community by KD Tunstall to defeat the very special interests in our region of Texas that would destroy your party by whatever means available. He did this through coalition building, not personal attacks and division. He drew support across demographics and several parties. He faced off against a heavily backed thug political machine here that still runs our area and is very much known by the star necon pupil they produced in Tom Delay.
Tunstall has stood up against corruption here locally and doesn't deserve some of the comments I have read in this thread. His interests are those of your party and many of us former republicans (still practicing conservatives) believe in what you all are trying to do. You have much to be proud of, but IMO, you need to stand together at this time in the election process. Continue to debate, but do it from a collegial perspective and one that productively builds your community. Your enemy is not each other, but the broader national attack on individual liberties and the constitution. Seek and build on your commonalities and use this moment in history, because that is all that it really is, and get your message out to as many as possible.
Now is the time! Sorry if this was so preachy, but Kevin is a sincere and honest party member who cares about the citizens of our region and the broader country, unlike many caught up in the political gaming...

The timing of his statements

The timing of his statements are irrelevant except for the fact that they were made after the nomination. This issue is about respecting 'the will' of 'the body.' Phillies has demonstrate a lack good judgment regarding this necessity.

On or near June 30, George Phillies accused the national party of "white racism" and stated that the "national party is in the grip of southern white bigots." Additionally, Phillies claimed that "national chair William Redpath" was trying "to identify our party with right wing conservative bigotry."

Phillies' inflammatory rhetoric did not cease on July 30. There are more public statements from last month alone which PROVE that Phillies is committed to disparaging our candidate's name, and the will of the body.

Perhaps Steve, this is why you called me a bigot at nolanchart.com? Yep...that is going to win some brownie points with us Texans.

is a sad day when a

is a sad day when a libertarian is threatened for speaking the truth by another libertarian. I can not believe that we would even discous throwing a state chapter out of the party for one of its members just speaking honestly!

What George said was divisive, as it is also the truth with respect to his state party. Since when is the truth repugnant?

In 1999, Congressman Barr sought to block Wiccans in the military from holding services.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/burn_aw2.htm

On or near May 31st George Phillies wrote

"As state chair of LP of Massachusetts, I am now in a rather difficult position. Not ten years ago, Bob Barr tried to persuade the army to ban Wicca services from fields near Fort Hood. He also, I am told by Arthur Torrey, referred to Arthur’s religion as ‘bogus’.

I am in the same position as a State Chair who has a majority-African-American State Committee, and whose Presidential candidate was, ten years ago, a Grand Dragon of the KKK who spent his time trying to persuade storeowners not to rent out their storefronts to African-American churches."

On July 30th it was reported that Bob Barr reversed his position on the Wiccan religion

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2008/07/day_4_report.php

Steve, the LP is not 'the

Steve, the LP is not 'the government.' It is not an issue of whether or not someone can speak their mind. This would not be an issue if it were PRIOR to the convention.

"Yes, your call for the purging of the MA party from the lp party is in effect a purge of wiccans from the lp party."

Sooo.....the LP is now 'the wiccan party?' Why are you bringing religion into this discussion? This issue is about PARTY OFFICERS who working against THE WILL OF 'THE BODY.'

There is no other recourse in the bylaws....there should be, but there isn't. Recently the Dems stripped one of their delegates because she stated she would support McCain if Clinton lost. We should have similar abilities so that the state parties are not effected. Again, this is regarding 'leadership' positions and delegate status. Not 'membership.'

Of course, you have the ability to do this yourself via your executive committee. However, I doubt you shall do so. After all, it is not always pleasant to do the right thing.

This type of stuff is what

This type of stuff is what keeps me from rejoining the LP. You know me Kevin. I hold almost 100% with the party platform now that they have moved away from open borders. Yet, I find it impossible to reach any kind of accord with more than two or three fellow Libertarians, as they all have diverse priorities and will figuratively kill anyone else to see their private agenda made preeminent. As I mentioned to you last time we met, every meeting of Libertarians is as productive as herding cats. It takes a very strong chairman and still many will go off on their own pet tangent.

To your blog: Party officials should support the party's candidate but if they do not, they have the right to speak out. They shouldn't but they can.

Personally, I do not like Bob Barr. He was the anti-libertarian when he was in congress and (apparently) only changed parties so he could run for office again. I will not vote for him. I am seriously considering voting CP (Baldwin) for the first time in my life.

I would ask you to... rejoin

I would ask you to... rejoin the LP. I understand your issues with Barr. I have many of them myself, i suspect. But, all given all, I beieve that Bob Barr is our best individual in the game to lead a libertarian shift. As much as I abuse KD, I don't believe that KD speaks for any sizeable portion of our party. As much as I am not enthusisastic about Barr leading the LP. Bob has done a rather good job speaking for us in the national media. While I might disagree with Bob Barr on a large number of issues I think that voting for him is much better then the other alternatives.... If you choose to vote for Baldwin... I will respect your decision.

It is high time for

It is high time for Libertarians to decide if we are involved in politics for the privilege of eventually steering the events of history, or if we merely wish to remain disgruntled, marginalized "kooks" to the majority of the American electorate. Remember this , if nothing else, to be a Libertarian President is to put aside your personal beliefs and embrace the CURRENT SUPREME COURT VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION. (You can Argue Marshall Later) Pontificate? Sure. Seek judicial review? Absolutely. After all, Libertarianism isn't about making sure the other guy agrees with you- It's about making sure you both have a right to your opinions. What a congressman does in the venue of state politics has nothing to do with what his duties will be as a president. That aside, an acute understanding of this principle is of paramount importance in a candidate.

JUST MY TWO CENTS:
C. S. Hoffpauir

Where in the libertarian

Where in the libertarian party bylaws is the first amendment to the constituion suspended? Now I don't consider myself a purist but I do tend to find out what some one is talking about before I call for their elimination from the party.

Yes, your call for the purging of the MA party from the lp party is in effect a purge of wiccans from the lp party. And yes it is so so so similar to what Barr was up to when he was a congressman. And yes such singling out of a group of people for joint punishment particularly of their using their first amendment rights is bigoted.

I don't think you rather outragious calls for action will be headed by the more level headed party leaders but you need to know how stupid your proposal is to others of us.

Oh...and when a 'party

Oh...and when a 'party officer' engages in 'activity' antithetical to 'the will' of the 'delegates' he is violating the bylaws as I outlined above. Logic dictates that you cannot be part of an organization when you violate will of, and work against the 'purpose' of the organization

Oh vey, deep reading...alot

Oh vey, deep reading...alot of fur flying...

Oh now I am a bigot? Nice use

Oh now I am a bigot? Nice use of a pejorative. Did you come up with that on your own?

If you wish to debate this than fine. If you wish to try to demonize your opponent with insults...you, like Phillies, are acting like a spoiled child.

Further KD following you

Further KD following you analogy it looks like you arrived at the picnic with the barbecue sauce.

KD, of course I don't expect

KD, of course I don't expect you to care if I like you bigoted nature.. But when you publish such rubbish you will be called on it.

Phillies has not violated the

Phillies has not violated the bylaws and other then correctly describing what Barr is to his constituency he has not insulted Barr. You sir insult every libertarian by your support for another purge of the party.

could care less if I 'offend'

could care less if I 'offend' you Steve. I am concerned about actions by party "officers" after the nomination process. Since there is no mechanism to remove 'an officer' for working against 'the delegates' that situation needs to be corrected.

If you find that offensive....too damn bad.

To put it more clearly....if

To put it more clearly....if a 'State Party Officer' violates not only the bylaws, but works AGAINST the NATIONAL DELEGATES, said officer should be REMOVED and have their delegate credentials stripped.....FOREVER!

Now....is that clear enough?

Let us get the facts

Let us get the facts straight.

Bob Barr while he was a Congressman attempted to not allow members of the Wiccan faith in the US military to practice their religion.

It is reported that a large percentage of the MA Libertarian Party are wiccans. Now do you see the comparison.

Yes what you are calling for is yet again an attempt to discriminate against the Wiccans. It is effect a repeat of what Barr tried to do while a congressman.

Frankly sir, you proposed actions are offensive.